NOAH AND HIS ARK - PART 2

In PART 1 of Noah And His Ark it was size that mattered, now we explore what we can do with it, if anything.

  Among other questions people have about the ark is; would the ark have been sea worthy? I'm not a ship builder but my Grandfather was and if he was alive today he would probably give me a great run down but as he has long since left us I'll have to investigate this one myself. To start with we have a football sized ship built of wood and was filled with animals and their food. For now lets just take the animals off and try to float this thing...

I'm only going to address the affirmative side of this debate, as the claim that it is seaworthy is the topic. The first stop in this journey is to take a look at AiG (Answers in Genesis). This was something of a hit and miss as after a short search I could only find rebuttals to skeptical blogs, and one in particular called "Feedback: Could Noah's Ark Float Without A Problem?" featuring an attempted debunking by "Froggie" who writes a blog called "A Bushy Tree" and one entry in particular called "More Lies From Ken Ham". I waded through the ad hominem attacks from both sides and, in the beginning at least, AiG seemed to have the information on their side with references for all the claims they made.

That changed quickly after breaking it down. One of the comments made was:

If the ancients couldn't handle big things, what will you do about Stonehenge, Easter Island, Egyptian pyramids, and huge obelisks? Surely, you are not suggesting aliens?

This is coming from a group of people claiming a supernatural god exists and they are poo pooing aliens. For me aliens seem to be a more believable explanation in the portrayal of a "god" than a supernatural answer. Either way this argument is a strawman as AiG has made an assumption on Froggies point. AiG also makes a strawman argument with this statement...

We are not discussing the myths of Noah’s Ark - though there are hundreds of them represented in Flood legends across the globe. Instead we are talking about the real Ark, as discussed in the Scriptures. By the way, you forgot to mention the distortions and obfuscation behind the myth of human evolution.

Even if human evolution is a myth (although evolution is seen throughout the bible) this has nothing to do with the question of the Ark. The argument from authority is also being used here suggesting that all other stories of floods and arks are wrong except for the Biblical Ark because it's part of the scriptures. A case of using the bible to prove the bible.

AiG cites the description of an unidentified ship with Kauri planks of up to forty-five feet in length...

Some of the kauri planks measured forty five feet in length by two feet in width, and the vessel appeared to be double planked suggesting that the vessel may have been built for navigation through the ice.

This is a great example of cherry picked information - the original text reads:

Unidentified. Pre-1800. The bow and portion of the starboard side of a ship more than 100 feet long was discovered by bushwalkers at South-East Cape, west from the Wilsons Promontory lighthouse in 1960. Analysis of her kauri timbers suggested they came from Queensland, Indonesia or New Zealand, whilst the iron recovered could have been manufactured in Birmingham, England before 1800. Some of the kauri planks measured forty five feet in length by two feet in width, and the vessel appeared to be double planked suggesting that the vessel may have been built for navigation through the ice.

That says to me this ship was built with both wood and iron... a big point conveniently missed by Tim Lovett, the author of this rebuttle, who cleverly omits this information to support his argument which is very misleading. The Iron Age started around 1200 B.C.E. Also, there is an assumption here to believe the Ark was double planked. One more point while I'm on this... the unidentified ship sank. Nobody can say whether it was it's maiden voyage or if it had been sailing for many, many years and the suggestion the vessel may have been built for navagation through ice also suggests it was not built for rough weather or major swells which could be the reason for it's demise.

The original blog from Tim Chaffey on AiG is "Feedback: Why are you building the Ark on Land?" which scoots around the question quite convincingly by refocusing on Jesus' sacrifice which has no baring on the Ark. I take exception to:

However, several scientific studies have shown that Noah’s Ark was built to optimal proportions to provide a perfect blend of comfort, strength, and stability.

I could only find one "scientific" study supporting the seaworthiness of the Ark which was tacked on the blog entry "Thinking Outside The Box", the link to which is another page by Tim Lovett. On this page there are links to the original study which don't work so I used my powers of Google to track down the organisations named including KACR, CRISO, MOERI and the scientist Dr Seon Won Hong. To his credit he did link to both KACR and CRISO and mentioned one was a new name of the other and now it's MOERI but neither of the links worked. The only thing I could find was the MOERI website which had no information on this study and the only information I could find on the good Dr was on creationist web sites. The experiment, from the photo, seems to be done with a scale model in a wave tank not a life sized one. The model would easily hold together but when you scale it up the pressures put on it would turn the whole thing to kindling. Perhaps somebody could prove me hypothesis.

I also did a search for any other scientific studies which prove the seaworthiness of the Ark and found... nothing.

I personally do not believe that the Ark, filled with animals, would be very seaworthy at all but I'm not sure about the evidence either way.  I'd be happy to look at any evidence that it existed let alone being seaworthy and for the sake of the next argument lets just assume that it was a real boat and could handle whatever god threw at the world.

Part 3 to come.

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GENESIS 13

Genesis 13 is a scene setting story letting the reader paint the picture in his or her own mind.

GENESIS 13

ABRAM AND LOT SEPARATE

1  So Abram went up from Egypt to the Negev, with his wife and everything he had, and Lot went with him.

2  Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold.

3  From the Negev he went from place to place until he came to Bethel, to the place between Bethel and Ai where his tent had been earlier

4  and where he had first built an altar. There Abram called on the name of the Lord.

"Hi Lord, this is Abram, just checking in. I have arrived with Lot and just waiting further instructions. Lot's being a pain in the ass but I think I can deal with him.

5  Now Lot, who was moving about with Abram, also had flocks and herds and tents.

6  But the land could not support them while they stayed together, for their possessions were so great that they were not able to stay together.

7  And quarreling arose between Abram’s herders and Lot’s. The Canaanites and Perizzites were also living in the land at that time.

Which is why there was not enough room. Basically Abram and Lot were passive-aggressive invaders of the land.

8  So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herders and mine, for we are close relatives.

9  Is not the whole land before you? Let’s part company. If you go to the left, I’ll go to the right; if you go to the right, I’ll go to the left.”

10   Lot looked around and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan toward Zoar was well watered, like the garden of the Lord, like the land of Egypt. (This was before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.)

11  So Lot chose for himself the whole plain of the Jordan and set out toward the east. The two men parted company:

12  Abram lived in the land of Canaan, while Lot lived among the cities of the plain and pitched his tents near Sodom.

Worse choice ever! Well, how was Lot to know that Sodom was to be forever known as the buggering city? 

13  Now the people of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the Lord.

14  The Lord said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, “Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west.

15  All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. 

16  I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. 

17  Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to you.”

18  So Abram went to live near the great trees of Mamre at Hebron, where he pitched his tents. There he built an altar to the Lord.

And the adventure begins...

GENESIS 12

 If you ever wonder into Egypt with your wife I'll give you two pieces of advice.  1 - watch out for the Syrians and 2 - read Genesis 12

GENESIS 12

THE CALL OF ABRAM

1 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.2 “I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

Sounds like a good deal to me. It's like a promotion at work but with land.

4 So Abram went, as the Lord had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Harran.

5 He took his wife Sarai, his nephew Lot, all the possessions they had accumulated and the people they had acquired in Harran, and they set out for the land of Canaan, and they arrived there.

Good plan, well executed. 

6 Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.

7 The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.

8 From there he went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an altar to the Lord and called on the name of the Lord.

9 Then Abram set out and continued toward the Negev.

So if you build an alter to god he will appear. Why has this never been in the news or on YouTube? I'm sure many have tried the alter building thing, even with cameras, yet no god appears so I'm wondering if was just a one off thing. Building an alter to your god for thanks is like giving your girlfriend a rose if your girlfriend was a blow up doll. Sooner or later one of the thorns is going to pop the plastic and she will disapear is a pop of idiocy. 

ABRAM IN EGYPT

10 Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to live there for a while because the famine was severe.

Well, if he's not there to help he's adding to the problem...just another mouth to feed.

11 As he was about to enter Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, “I know what a beautiful woman you are. 

12 When the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife.’ Then they will kill me but will let you live.

Kind of jumping to conclusions there, aren't we? 

13 Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.”

Lying - why didn't I think of that? 

14 When Abram came to Egypt, the Egyptians saw that Sarai was a very beautiful woman.

15 And when Pharaoh’s officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace.

16 He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, male and female servants, and camels.

Wait a minute. Because they thought she was his sister and they wanted a little action, they are offering all sorts of farm animals as payment.

17 But the Lord inflicted serious diseases on Pharaoh and his household because of Abram’s wife Sarai.

Sounds a bit harsh as they didn't know she was a chosen one.

18 So Pharaoh summoned Abram. “What have you done to me?” he said. “Why didn’t you tell me she was your wife?

19 Why did you say, ‘She is my sister,’ so that I took her to be my wife? Now then, here is your wife. Take her and go!”

20 Then Pharaoh gave orders about Abram to his men, and they sent him on his way, with his wife and everything he had.

So, the moral to this story is that you are to lie to your enemy then when they find out you lied tell them they've been punked and you get away scot free. Now that's the kind of education I want my kids to have.

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Says it all

GENESIS 11

OK, readers, let us turn to Genesis 11 in our bibles for some inspiration from god.  This is an interesting chapter, put right smack in the middle on the genealogy section is this story about how all the languages of the world became what they are today... without any linguistic evolution of course.

THE TOWER OF BABEL

1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech

Makes sense...

2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.

...following so far although, their building a tower made of bricks and only held together by tar?  I'm skeptical. 

4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

...and then logic went out the window. What made them think they would be scattered?

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.

6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

In other words, god was afraid that they would grow a brain and start asking questions therefore god's rule over humans would be even more fragile.

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

God is an asshole!

9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

Just how did god scatter them over the earth? I can imagine one of three things; a) they were suddenly levitated and flew thousands of miles to a different country or, b) the great big, freaky hand of god which was attached to a great big, freaky, hairy arm of god came down from out of the clouds and man handled them to the different countries of the earth or, c) the "whole earth" consisted of the a fifty mile radius from the centre of some point in the middle east where the writer sat uncomfortably on a bail of hay coming up with a stone age answer to the reason for the different language in the next township.

FROM SHEM TO ABRAM

10 This is the account of Shem’s family line. Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad.

Yeah, more genealogy... just what we needed. This all better have a point to it because it's not helping the authors cause. It's like the writer feels it's important to show mow many thousands of years after the fact when the book was written. It almost as if this book is just a compilation of old legends passed down from father to son.

11 And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.

12 When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah.

13 And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.

14 When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber.

15 And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.

16 When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg.

17 And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.

18 When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu.

19 And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.

20 When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug.

21 And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.

22 When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor.

23 And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.

24 When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah.

25 And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.

26 After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.

ABRAM'S FAMILY

27 This is the account of Terah’s family line.

Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot.

28 While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth.

29 Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milkah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milkah and Iskah.

30 Now Sarai was childless because she was not able to conceive.

31 Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Harran, they settled there.

32 Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Harran.

Did anybody actually read all that or did you just skim through it? I know you just skimmed over it because that's what I did.

GENESIS 10

Between moving house and settling in to a new city I haven't really had time to keep up on my blogs, not to mention trying to decide whether to write about some particular passage which seems to have no baring on anything... perhaps skipping them so I can get to the real juicy chapters of the bible but, that wouldn't be very thorough. Perhaps I can eek a little insight out of even the most boring of verses in this book, so it begins with all the begatting...

When I was younger this was the part in the bible I thought was a real page turner; it was so boring I just kept turning the page until the next chapter. 

GENESIS 10

THE TABLE OF NATIONS

1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons, who themselves had sons after the flood.

THE JAPHETHITES

2 The sons of Japheth:

Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshek and Tiras.

3 The sons of Gomer:

Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.

4 The sons of Javan:

Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittites and the Rodanites.

5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their territories by their clans within their nations, each with its own language.)

THE HAMITES

6 The sons of Ham:

Cush, Egypt, Put and Canaan.

7 The sons of Cush:

Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteka.

The sons of Raamah:

Sheba and Dedan.

8 Cush was the father of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the

earth.

Wait... Nimrod? Seriously?

9 He was a mighty hunter before theLord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, mighty hunter before the Lord.”

10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar.

11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh,Rehoboth Ir, Calah

12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.

13 Egypt was the father of the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, aphtuhites,

15 Canaan was the father of

Sidon his firstborn, and of the Hittites, 

16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, 

17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites,

18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites.  Later the Canaanite clans scattered 

19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza, and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboyim, as far as Lasha.

20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.  The Semites

21 Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was Japheth; Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber.

22 The sons of Shem:

Elam, Ashur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.

23 The sons of Aram:

Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshek.

24 Arphaxad was the father of Shelah,

and Shelah the father of Eber.

25 Two sons were born to Eber:

One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.

26 Joktan was the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, 

27 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, 

28 Obal, Abimael, Sheba, 

29 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.

30 The region where they lived stretched from Mesha toward Sephar, in the eastern hill country.

31 These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.

32 These are the clans of Noah’s sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood.

Blah, blah, blah.  I know this goes someway towards explaining, biblically, the genealogy for all the races in the world etc, but... but it doesn't actually explain how our species got all the races of the world in around 6,000 years.  From all the information I have to hand we have adapted (evolved) to suit the kind of climate we settled in over the last 195,000 years, which is a sod of a long time!  I'm sure it can be said that we can't relate to any length of time over 50-60 years from which is borne an argument from personal incredulity, a logical fallacy.  This logical fallacy can be so much a part of the believers believing in an invisible man in the sky that, despite mountains of growing evidence to the contrary, they can't accept that their adopted form of dogma is both pointless and wrong...yawn.

  I used to be spiritual, heck, I used to be a christian so I know what I am talking about.  When we find something that makes sense of the senseless you will try to take any small thing and make it a proof, or a grasp at straws, of your own beliefs.  At some point you have to just man up and accept the evidence put before you.  Hard, solid evidence.  Problems are more easily solved with science so invoking some supernatural being to be the answer you can't find is an uphill battle fought by lazy thinkers, inventive but lazy. 

  In short, I have nothing against believers, each to their own.  However, when a believer does something stupid in the name of, or because of, their god,  I have a problem.  Anyone can have an imaginary friend, I have no problem with that, it's a little kooky but, whatever.  If their imaginary friend tells them to do things, shit will hit the fan... and medication should be considered.  

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BLOGGERS BELIEF - DR SUJIN PAK

I stumbled upon a site called BIOLOGOS which is a go to site for those looking to back up their religion with science, or at least attempt to, and it does so in much the same way as AIG with one big difference; they believe that evolution is a product of creation. 

BioLogos is a community of evangelical Christians committed to exploring and celebrating the compatibility of evolutionary creation and biblical faith, guided by the truth that “all things hold together in Christ.” [Col 1:17]

In essence this is an online magazine with one of it's features being the blog page, which is where I found Dr Sujin Pak. Dr Pak is the author of The Judaizing Calvin: Sixteenth-Century Debates over the Messianic Psalms which was published in 2009, she got her PhD in Theological Studies from Duke University.

Sujin's writing flows very nicely so her blog is easy to read and follow. I have chosen to talk about her 3 part blog called Pre-modern Readings of Genesis 1. The blog is written as matter-of-fact as possible about her own personal belief, as is her right, but not from her own personal belief. In other words her own thoughts are not revealed in her writing making this an excellent article based blog rather than an opinion column. This is a great place to start if you want to back up your own beliefs of creation with the musings of ancient scholars. One could call her blog one big argument from authority but it's not, it's her account of what we thought we knew 1600 years ago. 

She hits upon a key part of Christianity and that is the interpretations set forth by many in the past that have, in turn, split off from the original belief system bringing rise to the many, many sects of Christianity we see today. Dr Pak also covers some of the obvious questions that need to be answered by fundamentalist Christians such as the meaning of day, why was there light before the sun and moon were created and what is gods image we were created in.

The blog suggests that Dr Pak didn't intend to answer those questions with any more clarity than past philosophers or even to come up with any evidence of the existence of god, instead she has illustrated that the questions we have about Genesis 1 are not new and have, in fact, been plaguing biblical scholars for centuries.  In other words, join the club.

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LESSONS OF ZENITH #002

The youth of my daughter reminds me of my own mortality.  I add the years, like most parents I guess, to her 21st when I will be 57.  My oldest daughter, Piper, has her 13th birthday this year and it looks like I won't be part of it which brings another bunch of unwanted feelings into my life.  The fact that Zen has so many years ahead of her and I'm in at the point of my life when what I am currently doing will probably be what I will do for the rest of my life doesn't make me sad in any way at all.  I would have liked to have been one of the rich or famous, I would have liked to have been a better person than who I am but doesn't everybody?  In the end it doesn't matter what I do or have done it's weather I am happy and those around me have felt the same.  In the case of my eldest daughter there is not much I can do about how she lives her life, it's a case of whether she decides, when she is old enough, that her old man is worthy of her attention.  For my youngest, Zen, it's a case of making sure she gets the best out of life I can give her and my own philosophy in life has a lot to do with both.

  With that in mind, putting Santa and the Tooth Fairy aside, what happens when other kid start to ask

questions of my daughter about whether she believes in god?  I was raised without religion and for the longest time I followed my Grandfathers religion which was Baha'i.  My mother, as far as I'm concerned, has turned as atheist as I am and will not teach my daughter anything as fictional as god.  Come to think of it, my mother has never taught me anything about a god of any kind, it was left up to me to decide what it was I to believe or not believe.  I wasn't circumcised and I would like to think it's because there was no reasonable reason that I should be so good on you Mum.  I may be a complete man when it comes to the whole foreskin debacle, but what is it about my upbringing that got me to believe what I believe now?  Noting.  I can't make it any more clear that that if I tried.  My mother told me noting about religion that I didn't ask about nor the after life or spiritualism or what ever you want.  I'm sure she had some opinions on the subject but they were her opinions and hers alone.  My grandmother, also, never let her personal opinions get in the way of my life's education and I can take a leaf out of both books when it comes to educating Zen.

Some of what I am talking to you about today I have never even thought about until now.  I guess I have been lucky enough to be brought up in a family where your personal belief doesn't change the fact you are part of the family and nobody will take the piss.  Not only should this be part of my philosophy towards my daughter but to all those I come in contact with.  I want to be open and accepting of anything she wants to be part of, but am I going to be bias?  Of course I am.  At least I am in my own mind.  I'm not going to have a good time at all if Zen decides that Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is her life's path as that will tell me I didn't teach her to be a critical thinker.  I know I'm not the only one to think that religion is the basis for all that is wrong with this world.

It is her life.  It does bring up another question, if she does turn to religion, was I not a good father?  These fears have no ground as yet and I dare not tempt them but on the same token, I can't stop her from becoming a believer.  If she does then her and I have lost nothing.  She may loose some time, time that was occupied by preying and not living life.  But it doesn't actually hurt her.

Or does it?

I can teach her all critical thinking I can but there is that period of any teenagers time of life when nothing an adult says can be taken as truth and where hormones will make her vulnerable to peer pressure.  There are times when she friends will try to introduce the supernatural side of life and she may be quite taken with it but once the questions start to be asked I think those small experimentation in life - like Wicca, will ware off and she will become a more critical thinker who will make me proud.  No doubt I will also be on the other end of her critical thinking and I hope she can teach me a few things.

  Only time will tell.

NOAH AND HIS ARK - PART 1

When I started this blog I figured I would have to read the bible again and I knew if I took it slowly and stopped to think about each verse as it came I would run into some problems.  I understand a lot about the bible as a whole so I had to put my holistic, albeit apologetic, understanding of said book to one side and take each chapter and verse as it comes.  As I started reading, the need for a rant came quickly...

  In Genesis chapters 6 to 9 we read a story about a man named Noah who made an ark because god told him to.  God said that he was, in essence, sick of the human race and all it's evilness so he was going to send a flood to wipe the humans and every other living thing of the face of the earth (paraphrase) except for Noah, his family and two of every kind of animal.  This may be one of the most argued stories of the bible, not only by believers and non believers but by one kind of a Christian and another.  This is the story I want to have a rant about.  

After reading these verses I kind of felt guilty of skim reading so I went back and started to read it again after which I realised I wasn't skim reading it's just written like that.  The complete lack of detail is stunning!  I guess I shouldn't really be surprised because up to that point the rest of Genesis is just as lacking which leaves it all up to liberal amounts of interpretation.  Interpretation is obviously one of the reasons for the myriad sects in Christianity but it begs the question; is the fear of no after-life driving us to ignore the absurdity of this tale?  I think it's a big part of it, for sure. 

If one employs critical thinking whilst trying to follow this biblical drivel it's impossible to read more than a verse without popping a neuron.  To accept the story of Noah and his ark as true one needs to suspend ones disbelief but to use it for one of the best pieces of evidence for the existence of god needs a special kind of denial.  The story is so full of holes it just doesn't float.  I mentioned before that the story itself is lacking in it's description of what actually happened so we don't have much to go on but it doesn't seem to stop people from coming up with wacky ideas about how it really happened.  Hypothesis is the generous word for that kind of behavior, otherwise known as apologetics. 

  So why, given the lack of any basis of fact, are millions of people prepared to believe it to be true?  In short, it's in the bible so it must be true.  If it wasn't true then that could bring other stories of the bible into question and before long the entire book starts to unravel before the believers eyes forcing them to ask the ultimate question... is there really a god?  In the end the head in the sand option wins out.

Lets start by looking at the obvious question; if god made the heavens, the earth, the animals and Adam and Eve how hard would it have been to make people that wouldn't go all evil and murderous enough to make god decide to clean the slate and start again?  What we have to remember is god made man is his image so what does that say about god?  A short tempered, over reactive, genocidal and jealous deity who doesn't seem to be able to create decent humans.  This is of course subjective but logical.
  God has no control over his creations.  The free will card can be played now if you like but that is a retrospective look at this story after reading the rest of the bible; at this point god has not bestowed free will upon the human race.  God has not given any ground rules or punishments or anything, the people are just doing what they do and god is to be blamed for being a bad parent.  There is no right or wrong, no good or bad and god hasn't demanded anything of man and when man dies, he dies.  He doesn't go to heaven and he doesn't go to hell; he just dies as that is gods punishment for eating the fruit of the forbidden tree.  It is what it is but he turns around and gets pissed because in his eyes they are acting like little shits.
  God is supposed to be in control but this just shows him to be an out of control spoiled brat and decides that he will kill not just mankind but every living thing the walks, swims or flies.  I think I would rather die than have to worship such a dick of a god just to live.

The plan is for Noah to build the ark while god gathers all the animals and they would all float off into the sunset together, so lets look at the plans... wait, there are none.  We have to trust that God gave Noah a little more to go on than 300 cubits long by 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high.  He is to make it with a roof (duh!) which has an opening underneath of 1 cubit (presumably to let the air circulate so the whole ship doesn't smell like crap).  It had lower, middle and upper decks with 1 cubit windows and a door in the middle.  To investigate the claim of Noah's ark made in the bible we have to assume no supernatural interference in the making otherwise it just falls to special pleading and reality takes a back seat.  My first question is:

What is a cubit?
  A cubit is, obviously, a measurement of length which probably died out with the dinosaurs as I don't think it is used for anything outside of hedging these days.  It was the average length from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger, around 46 cm or about 18 inches, which means the actual measurement could vary wildly.  Even with just a 1 cm difference on either side the ark could be anything from 135 m (443 ft) to 141 m (462 ft).  We'll work on the 46 cm basis from here.

It's hard to conceptualize the size of the ark so lets look at some comparisons.  Take your average sized high school football field and add another 120 feet and you start to get the idea.  Massive, right?  Absolutely.  It's a huge boat, enormous!
But is it big enough?  Is the size of this monolithic structure going to fit all the different "kinds" of animals in the world?  That question is actually way down on the list and we will get to that soon but first lets find out if building such a massive ship is possible.  God says it is to be made of cypress wood in the NIV (new international version) but the King James calls it gopher wood but we don't really know what that is and cypress is the closest guess so we'll go with that translation, either way it's a shit load of wood that's needed.  Lets look at that:

How much wood was needed?
In short it's around 40,500 square feet of wood.  There are not many places to get this information so it is an approximation only.  This is the basic math from ANSWERBAG "According to the Bible, each side of Noah's Ark was 300 cubits long and 30 cubits high. The square cubits of one side would be 9,000 cubits. Multiplied by two sides, Noah's Ark would take more than 1,800 square cubits, or 3,762 square meters, or 40,500 square feet of wood."  I have no reason to dispute this calculation.
  It took more than 6000 trees to make the HMS Victory, which was 69 m long, it would have taken more than 12000 tress to be cut down and prepped for the making of Noah's ark.  Where on earth did all those trees come from?  I can't tell you where the ark was made nor can I tell you how lush or arid that area was back then but 12000 trees (aprx) is a shit load for a small family to find, cut and process and that brings up the next question - did Noah have more than just his family to help him build the ark?  We'll explore that in part 2 of this series exploring Noah and his ark.

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GENESIS 9

The ark came to rest, Noah and his family along with every kind of animal walked out of the ark. Noah had a BBQ for god... we read on:

GENESIS 9

GOD'S COVENANT WITH NOAH

1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.

2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands.

3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

And man becomes omnivorous .. one would also expect that Noah and his family grew incisors and canines, not to mention a completely reformed digestive system, over night. I'll tell you one thing for free, if they started eating meat they would have single handedly brought extinction to many "kinds" of animals.

4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,

by humans shall their blood be shed;

for in the image of God

has God made mankind.

7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”

Not eating meat with it's lifeblood still in it is something that I don't think we need to be told to be honest. The next little bit is also a no brainer... if you get killed those shall be killed, if you kill, you shall be killed. If those rules are followed, mate and be happy.

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him:

9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you

10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth.

11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

"But I will send the occasional volcanic eruption, tsunami, earthquake, hurricane, tornado, famine and disease."

12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:

13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.

14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds,

15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.

16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”

So, basically god has established a covenant between him and all life; it took nine verses to say that. A rainbow is his reminder because, as we have seen in past chapters, god is so very forgetful.

THE SONS OF NOAH

18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.)

19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.

21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.

22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.

23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

Ironic really, no problem with incest but when it comes to looking at their naked Father they shy away.

24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,
25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
26 He also said,
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend Japheth’s territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years.
29 Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.

Talk about taking things to the extreme - all he did was see him naked WTF?

Look out for my complete take down on Noah, the ark and the flood... coming soon!

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GENESIS 8

The story so far...

God was pissed off with the human race being all evil, murdering, raping, leaving the milk on the kitchen bench and not really behaving themselves at all so he decided to wipe all living things off the face of the earth.  He picked Noah as the most righteous of all the men and told him what he planned to do and got him and his family to build an ark.  Noah then went about building the ark while waiting for all the animals which, miraculously, managed to make their way to where the ark was built and climb aboard along with Noah and his family.  The the door was shut and god send the flood.

GENESIS 8

1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.

2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.

3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,

4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

To remember means you forgot in the first place; what the hell was god doing that was so important he forgot about his flood thing?   Yet one more reason to believe that this god is more than just a little stupid... although he can't be that stupid if he figured out where to put all that excess water after the flood.

6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark

7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth.

8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.

9 But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark.

10 He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark.

11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.

12 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.

The raven was smart, if it found something or not it returned with nothing.  He knew where the food was.   The dove, on the other hand, came back with an olive leaf.  Noah thinks "now fend for himself and we no longer have to feed him" and off he was sent again.  The olive leaf must have been floating around somewhere as you wouldn't expect a tree to produce anything that quickly after being drowned for so long but the dove thought he was being smart. The raven is now laughing... and alive.  The dove starved to death because of his own pride... or something like that. Let's not forget that it takes two to breed; what the hell is the lady dove supposed to do now?   Is a dove a clean animal or an unclean animal?   It has to be a clean animal so there was seven of it's kind which is why there are still doves today.

13 By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.

14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.

15 Then God said to Noah,

16 “Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.

17 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number on it.”

Fair enough, all he needs to do is open the cage doors and let the animals make their own way out and hope they wont eat each other on the way.  Fortunately it only takes one pair to repopulate the world... wait, what?

18 So Noah came out, together with his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives.

19 All the animals and all the creatures that move along the ground and all the birds—everything that moves on land—came out of the ark, one kind after another.

20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.

So let me get this right, god asked Noah to build an ark to save him and the animals because god wants to kill everything and start again.   Let's not talk about the fact that he created everything to start with and could easily do it again.   Now Noah, finding he was in fact saved from the floods, BBQ's some of the animals he was supposed to save to repopulate the earth in the name of god for god?????

21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. 

God is too polite.  You know at this point he's thinking to himself that he saved the wrong guy.   Bastard! It took a lot to get the animals of the world to that ark!  If god had a wife she would be saying "he is our son dear" and god would be thinking "OK, I guess we can do without the unicorns and they do smell great when roasted..."

22 “As long as the earth endures,

seed time and harvest,

cold and heat,

summer and winter,

day and night

will never cease.”

How nice.

Look out for my complete take down on Noah, the ark and the flood... coming soon!

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GENESIS 7

This next chapter is the continuation of the story of Noah and his ark and where one has to suspend ones disbelief to accept the story as true and maintain that this is one of the greatest pieces of evidence for the existence of god.  Lets see shall we?

GENESIS 71 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.

2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate,

3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.

4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

Because Noah didn't take part in all the debauchery, raping and murder, god found him to be righteous (read, religious) and therefore was privileged enough to be the one that captained the boat; I'm not sure that getting burdened with the massive job of getting a sample of every kind of animal in the world is a good thing! Being cooped up on a wooden ship full of animals for forty days and nights doesn't exactly sound like a holiday either but I guess it's better than drowning.

5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.

6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.

7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood.

8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground,

9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.

OK, so Noah didn't have to go looking for the animals as they came to him which was lucky for Noah as he was getting rather old and he had just built an ark after all. It does beg the question, how did all those animals get there?

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings.

15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.

16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord shut him in.

Now we know where all the water came from at least, from the springs and the heavens. Here I was thinking there may not be enough water to flood the earth, clearly I was wrong. There is obviously enough water below the ground and in the clouds to kill everything on the face of the earth. He's got animals and birds on the ark, what about the fish? I guess the fish can swim and god would make them able to live in a completely different salinity.

17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.

18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.

19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.

22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

As there are far too many points to cover here I will dedicate a whole blog entry to the flood and all it's fallacious claims, so for now I'll just let this chapter sink in...

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